A Scriptural Case for the
Cessation of Spiritual Gifts
"Cessationism, the close of the canon and completion of
prophecy compliments fulfilled eschatology. A balanced view of the function of
prophetic gifts in the first century saints, the centrality of faith, the
importance of Scripture and sound doctrine is central to a proper view of cessationism. The only sufficient testimony of God is the
Bible. Only faith in Jesus Christ as portrayed in the Bible sufficient
knowledge of God. So then faith comes by hearing, and
hearing by the Word of God.
A Scriptural Case for the Cessation of Spiritual Gifts
Hebrews 1:1-2
1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the
fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom
He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds;
Hebrews 1:1-2 suggests that the Old Testament prophets were given the oracles
of God in the past in many ways such as revelation through personal experience.
But in the final days of revelation, God completed His
speaking to a specific group of people through the incarnated Jesus Christ who
alone bore witness to (John 5:19-47).
The Cessation of the Appointment of Apostles
The Old Testament prophets testified of Christ’s coming. The New Testament
apostles testified about what Christ did and said after He came.
The apostles (Luke 1:1-3, Acts 1:8) were specifically eyewitnesses to Christ’s
resurrection (Luke 24:44-49, Acts 1:21-22, 2:32, 3:15, 10:38-48, 13:30-31, 1
Corinthians 15:4-9, 1 John 1:1-4). Also see Isaiah
43:9-12. They were elected by Christ Himself (John 15:15-16). Paul also was the
last apostle (1 Corinthians 15:8) appointed by revelation of the resurrected
Christ. Paul knew that the procession of apostleship would end without
succession (1 Corinthians 4:9).
Paul’s Unique Apostolic Authority
Even though his revelation of Christ was a personal visionary experience of the
resurrected Christ, Paul was the first to deliver the Gospel given to him that
bore witness to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:3). Still, Paul was the least
of the apostles since he was born one out of due time (1 Corinthians 15:8-9).
He was not fit to be an apostle because he persecuted the Church (1 Corinthians 15:9). But Paul was
made an apostle by God’s Grace to reveal God’s Grace (1 Corinthians 15:10). If
today someone claims to be an apostle, then that would make Paul a false
prophet since he claimed to be the last apostle (1 Corinthians 15:8).
Christ’s Sufficient Word
Christ has been sufficiently testified by His (Acts 15:18) works (Matthew
13:54, Mark 6:2, Luke 14:28-35, John 1:8-9, John 4:34, John 6:14, John 9:3-5,
John 10:25-38, John 14:6-11, John 17, John 18:37, John 19:30, Romans 9:11,
Romans 19:27-28, Hebrews 12:2, 1 Corinthians 3:9-11, Revelation 22:18), His
physical resurrection (Acts 1:22, Acts 2:31-32, Acts 3:15, Acts 4:33, Acts
10:38-45, Acts 13:30-33, 1 Corinthians 15:1-9), the Old Testament (Matthew
26:56, Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44-45, John 5:39, Acts 17:2, Acts 17:11, Acts 18:28,
Acts 28:23, Romans 1:2, Romans 1:9-20, Romans 15:4, Romans 16:25-26, 1
Corinthians 15:3, 2 Corinthians 3, 2 Timothy 3:13-16), the witnesses of the New
Testament (Luke 2:17, Luke 7:22, Luke 10:22-24, Luke 24:48-49, John 1:7-8, John
1:12-15, Acts 1:8, Acts 20:24, Acts 26:16, 1 Corinthians 9:4, 1 Thessalonians
2:10, Hebrews 2:3-4, Hebrews 12:1-2, James 5:11, 1 John 1:1-4, 1 John 5:6-13,
Revelation 1:19, Revelation 3:14, Revelation 11:7, Revelation 20:4), and the
witness (Matthew 18:16, Matthew 24:14, John 5:31-38, John 15:27, 1 Timothy 2:6,
1 Timothy 1:13-16, 2 Timothy 2:2, 1 Peter 1:10-13, 1 Peter 5:1, 1 John 4:13-15,
Revelation 11:3) of the Holy Spirit (John 14, John 15:26, John 16:17, Acts
5:32, Acts 15:8, Romans 8:16-18, Romans 9:1, 1 Corinthians 2:9-16, Hebrews
10:15-17).
The Cessation of Gifts in 1 Corinthians 13
1 Corinthians 13 does explicitly describe the "cessation" of
prophetic gifts after that which is more perfect has come.
1 Corinthians 13:8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether
there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish
away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which
is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought
as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.
Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am
known.
The central theme of 1 Corinthians 13 is the
preeminence of love in the inadequacy of the gifts. The gifts were important
and effectual in their designated functions but were not as sufficient as love.
In Paul’s detailed dissertation on spiritual gifts, he exhorts that love is
most important. He expounds that prophecy is inadequate, the gifts of tongues
shall cease, and the qualified mode of knowledge coupled by the gifts would
vanish away. It is not a hyperbole; he uses three parables rhetorically
elucidating this doctrine upon a central theme.
The inadequacy of the prophecy that would fail is defined
by the context as prophecy in part. The knowledge to vanish away is defined by the context as knowing in part. The tongues
that would cease is allegorized by the context as
speaking as a child. The prophecy that is in part would be
done away with when that which is perfect is come.
“That which is in part” [(the knowledge to vanish) 1
Corinthians 13:8] is coupled with childish things [(immature speaking, immature
understanding, and immature thinking) 1 Corinthians 13:11] to be put away (1
Corinthians 13:10-11). “That which is in part” (1
Corinthians 13:10) is also coupled with looking in an obscure mirror in that
time, defined as “knowing in part” (1 Corinthians 13:12). “That which is in
part” is defined by the context as the knowledge which was then in part (1
Corinthians 13:9, 13:12).
“That which is perfect” {that which was to come (1
Corinthians 13:10) [then prophesied to be future (1 Corinthians 13:12)]} is
coupled by the context with becoming a man and putting away immature speaking,
immature understanding, and immature thinking (1 Corinthians 13:11). “That which
is perfect” is also coupled with seeing face to face and knowing fully as such
beyond the obscurity of “a glass darkly” (1 Corinthians 13:12).
“That which is perfect” is qualified as speaking as a man, understanding as a
man, thinking as a man, seeing face to face, knowing even as known. Knowing
even as known is to be known fully. The knowledge is
complete. That which is perfect is perfect knowledge.
On the Timing of 1 Corinthians 13:10
There are some errant futurist teachers who use 1 Corinthians 13:10 as a proof
that miracles will not cease until after Christ’s delayed Parousia (the Second
Coming). But even if Christ had not already came to
redeem His people, that interpretation ignores some principle hermeneutical
standards.
That which is "perfect" is defined by the
context of the passage, and one ought not to fallaciously assume that the
neuter “that which is perfect” refers to Jesus Himself (who is masculine). By
misappropriating "that which" to be Jesus, one would ignore the
context (1 Corinthians 13:9-12) which grammatically suggests it is the
"knowledge" which was to come. This is resounded in chapter 14. That
complete "knowledge" to be revealed must be the completion of the
knowledge that was known only in part. Also see 1 John 3:2.
Jesus Christ Already Perfect; Knowledge Becoming Perfect
Strong’s concordance defines the neuter word “that which is perfect” as:
G5046 Τέλειος
teleios tel'-i-os From
G5056; complete (in various applications of labor, growth, mental and moral
character, etc.); neuter (as noun, with G3588) completeness: - of full age,
man, perfect.
When that which was then yet to have come was completed, the partial knowledge
by those who had spiritual gifts would be done away with
by the perfect knowledge. The knowledge is a thing, not an adjective or
description of a person. The quality of the thing knowledge is
characterized by perfection and completion. The knowledge was then still
to come to full age as a man.
Paul said “when I became a man, I put away childish
things”. Paul refers to the body of the Church being perfected coming to full
age as a man. It should be noted that Paul uses
himself as an illustration cleverly putting the childish things away even as he
writes of them.
Jesus was already perfected and finished His work.
Jesus already came as a man physically. In the quality of His going was in what
manner He would come again, not in corruption but in Glory .
Jesus did not need to still come to full age as a man
after His ascension. The knowledge of the Church had to be full because they as
one body still knew in part as a child as if they looked through a mirror
darkly.
Paul never ever would have called Jesus Christ the neuter “that which”. He
would have said “He who is perfect”.
“That which is perfect” is perfect knowledge
(Luke 1:2-3, Acts 24:22, 1 Corinthians 2, Ephesians 4:13-15, Colossians
1:25-29, 2 Timothy 3:14-17, James 1:17-25), as the context of 1 Corinthians 13 defines using the normal reading
hermeneutic. Though the entire Bible utters the truth of Jesus Christ, the name
Jesus or even the appellation Christ is not even stated
in chapter 13 or even chapter 14.
On the Perfect Knowledge
Some charismatic interpreters consider the context and agree that “that which
is perfect” does not grammatically suggest Jesus’ Parousia, but rather suggests
the knowledge that is perfected in some future fulfillment besides the Bible.
Some claim that the perfect knowledge of the perfect revelation is still future
(usually thought to antecede physical death in heaven or after a rapture of the
saints to heaven). Those interpreters presume that the revelation of God cannot be known fully. Begging the question, they imagine
the notion of perfect knowledge as a sort of epistemological omniscience to
occur in heaven. They claim to know [with imperfect knowledge] that they do not
yet have this perfect knowledge, and believe God has hid
some part of Himself from believers until after they die. The implication is
that they admit to not having perfect knowledge of the very Scripture that they
make conclusions from. They presume that the Word
testified does not sufficiently testify of the Father. Thus, they weaken their
logical appeal. When challenged on these grounds, they usually ironically claim
that their position is misunderstood by the other person.
The post fulfillment view is superior because it surmises that its
interpretation is indeed perfect, logically following the implications of the
argument. If one did claim to have perfect knowledge, then that could mean the
Church is mature enough to intelligibly comprehend the
revelation of Christ, and there would be no more need for prophecy or further
revelation, and "tongues would cease". If one does not believe that
the Scriptures can be known fully, then any analysis on 1
Corinthians 13 would be admittedly erroneous.
Complete Knowledge
The Bible declares that the perfect knowledge is by Scripture and is Scripture
itself. Scripture perfects the believer. When the Scripture was finished, then was the revelation of true knowledge completed.
Galatians 3
2If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to
you-ward:
3How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in
few words,
4Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of
Christ)
2 Timothy 3
15And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to
make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is
in Christ Jesus.
16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness:
17That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Romans 16
25Now to him that is of power to establish you according to my gospel, and the
preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which
was kept secret since the world began,
26But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to
the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the
obedience of faith:
1 Corinthians 14:6
Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit
you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by
prophesying, or by doctrine?
Ephesians 1
9Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good
pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of
your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that
holy Spirit of promise,
14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased
possession, unto the praise of his glory.
17That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is
the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in
the saints,
19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe,
according to the working of his mighty power,
Also see Galatians 1:11-12, etc.
Do the saints have perfect knowledge or not? (Psalms 19:6-9). The
answers in the Bible consistently points to the post fulfillment conclusion
(Isaiah 11:9-10, ch.28). Paul explicitly said that by his writings they could
understand the mystery of the dispensation of Christ (Galatians 3), 2 Timothy
said that the Scriptures are practically sufficient in themselves unto
understanding Salvation in faith.
If one disagrees, on the finished delivery of the full Gospel by the Scripture,
it would ironically be on the grounds of one’s own understanding of Scripture.
1 Corinthians 2’s central theme is the fact that the
revelation and knowledge of God was already then being made manifest. Also see
Romans 3:3-4, 4:16, 10:11, 16:24, 2 Corinthians 4:13, 8:7, 10:7-16, Galatians
3:2-5, 3:22-25, Ephesians 3:7-12, Colossians 1:23-28, 2 Thessalonians 3:2, 1
Timothy 1:3-4, 2 Timothy 1:13, 3:13-17, Hebrews 10:22-24, 11:1-3, 1 Peter
1:9-13, 2 Peter 1:3-12, Jude 1:3.
Colossians 1
25 of which I became a minister according to the stewardship from God which was
given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God, 26 the mystery which has been
hidden from ages and from generations, but now has been revealed to His saints.
27 To them God willed to make known what are the riches of the glory of this
mystery among the Gentiles: which[a] is Christ in you, the hope of glory. 28
Him we preach, warning every man and teaching every man in all wisdom, that we
may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus.
Hebrews 11
39 And all these, having obtained a good testimony through faith, did not
receive the promise, 40 God having provided something better for us, that they
should not be made perfect apart from us.
1 Peter 1:5 who are kept by the power of God through faith
for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time
On John 14:12
John 14:12 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that
I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to
My Father.
Context of this verse:
In verse 10, Jesus said the "words4487 that3739 I1473 speak2980 unto
you5213 I speak2980 not3756 of575 myself:1683 but1161 the3588 Father3962 that
dwelleth3306 in1722 me,1698 he846 doeth4160 the3588 works.2041", Jesus is
using a rhetorical employment here.
Notice the similar language "the works that I do he will do also" is
the same concept as in verse 10, and other places in the Johannine.
Jesus is saying that when He goes to the Father, He will be mediator (Galatians
3, 1 Timothy 2:5-6, Hebrews 8-9, Hebrews 12:22-24) for us.
Also notice that there is a condition of faith (not to faith), He who
"believes" on me.
Romans 5:1 says:
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our
Lord Jesus Christ,
The context of this conclusion of Romans 5:1 supports the view of Christ as a
mediator working for us. The justification is the upshot of Jesus going to the
Father (see John 14). The greater work is faith. Galatians and the first 5 books of Romans deal extensively with this theme. It is
not by the works of the law that a man is justified, but by the hearing of
faith (Romans 3:28, etc.).
Matthew 5:20, "...unless you righteousness exceeds that of the
Pharisees...", and the foretold judgment according to works (Matthew
16:27, 2 Corinthians 11:15, Revelation 2:23, Revelation 20:12-13? How can any
flesh be justified by works (Galatians 2:16)? Christ saved us by His works and
not our own (Romans 9:11, 2 Timothy 1:9, Titus 3:5). So our works (James) are
built upon His (Luke 6:48-49, 1 Corinthians 3:9-15). Notice the eschatological
implications.
Also, about the John 14 appeal, notice that the work is related to Christ's
words, not specifically miracles. In John 6:30, they ask Jesus for a sign so
that they could see and believe His work in question. Jesus then preaches,
explaining that His words are Spirit and life (John 6:63). Jesus often had the
same attitude about His words being sufficient in the gospels Matthew 12:39-42,
Luke 11:29-34. The legitimacy of Jesus' testimony is defended
in much of the Johannine.
Also notice the "greater than these". How
can we do works greater than Jesus for the reason He
went to the Father? Consider the context. In verse 10
Jesus made the correlation that God was in Him. In verse 28, Jesus said that
they should rejoice that He was going to the Father who was greater than He. If Jesus is the mediator, He would effectually work
greater works in us (Ephesians 3:20).
Scripture consistency on this theme:
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works
of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe
in Him whom He sent.”
The greater work is defined here clearly. The greater
work is faith. Amen.
On the cessation of gifts in the Old Testament
1 Behold, a king will reign in righteousness,
And princes will rule with justice.
2 A man will be as a hiding place from the wind,
And a cover from the tempest,
As rivers of water in a dry place,
As the shadow of a great rock in a weary land.
3 The eyes of those who see will not be dim,
And the ears of those who hear will listen.
4 Also the heart of the rash will understand
knowledge,
And the tongue of the stammerers will be ready to
speak plainly.
5 The foolish person will no longer be called generous,
Nor the miser said to be bountiful;
Isaiah 33:6 Wisdom and knowledge will be the stability of your times,
And the strength of salvation;
The fear of the LORD is His treasure.
7 Surely their valiant ones shall cry outside,
The ambassadors of peace shall weep bitterly.
8 The highways lie waste,
The traveling man ceases.
He has broken the covenant,
He has despised the cities,[a]
He regards no man.
Jeremiah 3:15 And I will give you shepherds according to My
heart, who will feed you with knowledge and understanding.
16 “Then it shall come to pass, when you are multiplied and increased in the
land in those days,” says the LORD, “that they will say no more, ‘The ark of
the covenant of the LORD.’ It shall not come to mind, nor shall they remember
it, nor shall they visit it, nor shall it be made
anymore.
On Modern Day Tongues
Glassolatia is not the type of speaking in tongues of
the Bible. Glassolatia is just a personal experience.
It cannot be interpreted into intelligible prophecy. Glassolatia does not edify the Church. It only offers a
personal spiritual experience for the individual (1
Corinthians 14:2-4). The Bible actually is against the type of tongues found in
charismatic traditions on pragmatic grounds (1 Corinthians 14:2-15).
On the Gift of Teaching
None perfect teachers (Job 36:22)[except Jesus and the
apostles], and without faith, Scripture would not even profit any (Hebrews 4:2).
The knowledge (Hosea 4:1-6, Acts 24:22, 2 Peter 1:2-9) is not “given by simply
reading Scripture”, the Scripture is the knowledge (Daniel 12:4, Habakkuk
2:14). Works like reading is not what merits the Salvation. Faith is
sufficient. It is the knowledge itself that is perfect. The knowledge is not
confusing (1 Corinthians 14:30-33), but intelligible.
1 Corinthians 13 does not speak explicitly refer to
the gift of teaching. The best parallel passage to 1
Corinthians 13:8-12 is Ephesians 4:7-16 [with the same central theme (the
cessation of gifts and the perfection of the body)] and happens to explain of
the gift of teaching and its purpose. Scripture must interpret Scripture.
Ephesians 4:7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure
of the gift of Christ.
Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith,
When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some,
prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry,
for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Ephesians 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge
of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Ephesians 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and
carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning
craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Ephesians 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all
things, which is the head, even Christ:
Ephesians 4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by
that which every joint supplieth, according to the
effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh
increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
Notice all the same themes: the gifts (Ephesians 4:8-10, Hebrews 2:4) given to
the body (Psalms 68:9-19, 68:9-11, Romans 12:4-7, 1 Corinthians 12, Ephesians
4:4-7), the perfecting of the saints (Proverbs 4:18, 2 Corinthians 13:11,
Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 3:15-21, Colossians 1:25-29, 1 Thessalonians 3:10,
2 Timothy 3:17, Hebrews 6:1, 11:39-40, 1 Peter 5:2, Psalms 18:32, 37:37-40),
edification (Luke 18:4, 1 Corinthians 14:2, 14:26), the knowledge of the Son of
God (Colossians 1:25-28, 1 John 4), maturation of children (2 Timothy 3:14-15,
Isaiah 28:9), and love (1 John 2, 4). Notice the affinity to Scripture
in the cited parallel verses. Notice verse 11 (also see 1
Corinthians 12:28), the “some”{[τό
(to-)][μέν (men)]}grammatically
refers to the measure of the gifts given to men (verse 7-8): that is some
apostles, some evangelists, some pastors, and some teachers [were given for the
perfecting of the saints, etc.] till the body of Christ comes into the unity
(Ephesians 4:3, Psalms 133) of the faith, no more as children (Isaiah 28:9, 2
Timothy 3:14-15), carried about with every wind of doctrine (Isaiah 28, 29:24,
32:1-5, 33:3-7, Psalms 107:27-30, Ephesians 4:14, Jeremiah 10:8, Romans
16:17-20, 1 Corinthians 14:6, 1 Timothy 4:6-7, 4:16)…speaking the truth in love
(Ephesians 4:15). When did the body of Christ come into the unity of the
faith? The Bible (1 Timothy 2:4-6) alone is the
knowledge of the Son of God, to reveal true doctrine (1 Timothy 1:4-13).
The Work of God in Faith
The elect look not after physical things but those spiritual unseen things in
faith (John 3:11-12, John 7:21-4, John 14:12, 2 Corinthians 4:18, 2 Corinthians
5:7, Philippians 3:19-21, Hebrews 11:1, Hebrews 11:13, Hebrews 11:35, 1 Peter
1:18). Faith is God’s work.
John 6:28 Then3767 said2036 they unto4314 him,846 What5101
shall we do,4160 that2443 we might work2038 the3588 works2041 of God?2316
John 6:29 Jesus2424 answered611 and2532 said2036 unto them,846 This5124 is2076
the3588 work2041 of God,2316 that2443 ye believe4100 on1519 him whom3739 he1565
hath sent.649 [KJV]
4 I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming
when no one can work.
Faith is sufficient:
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28
Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of
the law.
This is the greater "work": faith (also see James 2:17-26).
Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the
Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
1John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from
Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all.
Romans 16:25 Now to Him who is able to establish you
according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the
revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26 but now made
manifest, and by the prophetic Scriptures made known to all nations, according
to the commandment of the everlasting God, for obedience to the faith—
The testimony of Jesus Christ by Scripture alone is sufficient without a
physical miracle. No physical proof is necessary, only faith in what the
Scripture says. Miracles do not necessarily indicate the votaries of God (as
there were false wonder workers in Acts).
Conclusion
Cessationism, the close of the canon and completion
of prophecy compliments fulfilled eschatology. A balanced view of the function
of prophetic gifts in the first century saints, the centrality of faith, the
importance of Scripture and sound doctrine is central to a proper view of cessationism.
The only sufficient testimony of God is the Bible. Only faith in Jesus Christ
as portrayed in the Bible sufficient knowledge of God. So then
faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God.
Grace be to you,
PFC Vincent Michael Krivda, Jr.
Bible-Touchstone
Ft. Lee, VA
Sola Scriptura!
Comments welcome; all Scripture cited from NKJV, UON.
as of 6-2008
Name: ADRIAN
Email Address:
77adri@gmail.com
Date:
May 29, 2008
Time: 02:39:33 AM
I disagree because when we see the Israelites in OT after crossing the RED SEA God had given power, Manna & others gifts to the Israelis coming out from SINAI desert then entering CANAAN the land of milk. But the power of has not stopped here God was with them to the last . GOD WAS WITH David SAMUEL PROPHETS RUTH & OTHERS. We see SAUL talking in other language. We see ELIAS healing people, raising dead people from the grave this was happened have entering CANAN not before. So I conclude if God is not healing right now No need to pray or ask .How can you say spiritual gifts had ceased? After entering New Heaven & New Earth there must be healing if not why we pray to God. God is available everywhere gives his power to whom he likes. GOD HEALS. Please revise your writing. ADRIAN Comments RKM:
What you said is true, but the manna and quail that God was given
the Israelites after they have entered the land. That was given by God for only
40 years.
The tongues that were spoken was a unstudied known language not the
mess that is spoken today. The Bible clearly states that the tongues is for the
unbelievers NOT for the believers that people claim today. On the healing part,
why do we have hospitals today if this was true. Jesus healed people that
believe and did not believe
Show me with scripture alone that spiritual gifts are still around
after 2000 years.
Is Tongues for the believer or unbeliever according to
scripture? 1 Corinthians 14
Even Paul says in 1 Corinthians 14:18 that it is better to speak 5 intelligible
words than 10,000 words in a tongue. Tongues is bottom of the list when it comes
to “gift”, even it is below prophesies.
If prophesies are still around, what other prophesies are there to be fulfilled.
If there is one prophecy that has not fulfilled, then we are still living under
the old law, according to Jesus. Matthew 5:17
You state that the “Perfect” has not come yet. What is the “Perfect” according
to scripture?
James 1:25 “…perfect law that gives freedom..” Has this happen yet?
James 1:17 “..perfect gift from above…” Has this happen yet?
Romans 12:2 “…his good, pleasing and perfect will.” Who is the creator of the
will?
Hebrews 2:10 “..the author of their salvation perfect through suffering.” Who
made salvation perfect?
2 Corinthians 12:9 “… for my power is made perfect in weakness” Whose “perfect
power?
Hebrews 12:23 “..the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous of men made
perfect,..” Who is the Judge?
1Co 13:10 but when that which is perfect is come, that which is in part shall be
done away.
So you are saying that the “perfect” must not have come so the imperfect is
still here, spiritual gifts. Even under a “perfect” law there are imperfect
elements.
Let us read the end of 1 Corinthians 13:
1 Corinthians 13:8, "Love never faileth: but whether prophecies, they shall be
done away; whether tongues, they shall cease; whether knowledge, it shall be
done away."
According to the above passage, the gifts of prophesy, tongues, and knowledge
shall be done away.
1 Corinthians 13:9-10, "For we know in part, and we prophesy in part."
Paul says that they have knowledge in part, and prophesy in part.
1 Corinthians 13:10, "But when that which is perfect is come,..."
The word "perfect" here is best understood, in light of 1 Corinthians 2:6, in
the sense of "mature" (Colossians 3:14, Hebrews 6:1). It is neuter in the Greek
and could refer to the completeness or fullness of scripture, to the coming of
Christ. (Comments RKM: Both the completeness of scripture and the coming of
Christ happen at the same time, 70AD)
1 Corinthians 13:10, "...then that which is in part shall be done away."
The body, growing up as a perfect man (Ephesians 4:13), will eventually outgrow
the need for certain things associated with immaturity, as verse 11 will show.
1 Corinthians 13:11, "When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a
child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish
things."
Paul's use of "spake", "understood", and "thought" seems to correspond
respectively to the "tongues", "prophesy", and "knowledge" of verse 8. The point
of this passage is to explain that partial revelation via tongues, and so forth,
will cease when the full revelation of God in Scripture is completed. This
occurred by the end of the Old Covenant age, which was in 70AD.