Silence and the Rapture

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SILENCE WHICH DEMANDS A VERDICT (Comment RKM: Who are we to tell God what He means. Silence demands Silence)

Futurists use this silence to minimize the importance of AD 70 by saying, "Surely if AD 70 was as significant as you say, the leaders of the post-70 church would have said something about it, especially if it was the Parousia.  Since they ignore it, the implication is that it was not significant for Christians, and certainly could not have been the Parousia."  This silence also affects the "Partial Preterist view, since it gives them no historical support for their "some kind of coming at AD 70." 

There is a "documentation problem" for the rapture view, BUT it is not as significant a problem as it is for the non-rapture Preterist.  Absence explains the silence better than their continued presence does.  A continued presence is what creates the "documentation problem" in the first place.  So, this "documentation problem" is not really much of a "rapture" documentation problem at all.  But our critics have clearly pointed out how it is a "Parousia, resurrection, and judgment" documentation problem.  The lack of documentation for a rapture is only one-fourth of the whole package.  All of  us Preterists (regardless of our position regarding the rapture) still have a "Parousia documentation problem." 

For non-rapture Preterists, I would contend that the way they explain the lack of documentation for the Parousia is the same way I would explain the lack of documentation for a rapture.  But absence works better for the rapture view than continued presence does for the non-rapture position.

Partial Preterists and futurists do not accept the non-rapture (continued presence) explanation of the lack of documentation for the Parousia.  It really does not offer a real solution to the problem.  It merely begs the question.  So when a non-rapture Preterist asserts that the rapture Preterist has a "documentation problem," it leaves three fingers pointing back at him.  The non-rapture Preterist has three other events to find documentation for (Parousia, resurrection and judgment).  But the rapture theory provides a documentation solution to all  three of these events.  A rapture easily explains why no Christian after AD 70 mentioned the occurrence of the Parousia (they weren't around to document it).  The non-rapture view can't have that explanation in his bag of apologetic tricks, and so he is burdened with a radically greater "documentation problem" than the rapture Preterist.

If there was NO rapture, then Apostle John and a whole bunch of the other leaders of the church (e.g., Apollos, Luke, Timothy, Titus, Barnabas, Gaius, Aristarchus, etc.) must have lived beyond the destruction and would have witnessed the fulfillment of the Parousia, resurrection and judgment.  Why didn't they say something about the fulfillments?  Did John suddenly lose all the knowledge about eschatology that he had when he wrote the book of Revelation and 1 John 2:18, 2:28, and 3:2?  Did all the other leaders suddenly forget everything they had heard the apostles teach about the Parousia?  Did the Parousia actually occur and they simply missed it and suddenly started thinking that the Parousia was no longer imminent any more?  Why didn't they say something about it if they knew it occurred?  Why do these leaders seem to suddenly vanish without a trace?  We don't know when, where, or how they died, nor where they were buried.  We should have reams of  excited and exuberant documentation from them if they had witnessed the fulfillments and lived beyond the event into the AD 70-100 period. 

Could it be that the reason they say nothing about the fulfillment of the Parousia is because they were not still around to document it???  Gasp!!!  (A rapture?)  Isn't it SINFUL for a Preterist to even think such a thing, much less even dare utter the "R" word?  Nope!  J. S. Russell a century ago showed that it is perfectly consistent for a Preterist to believe in a rapture.

Mat. 16:27-28 says that "some" of the 12 disciples would still be alive at Christ's return.  We know John was one of those (John 21:22f).  But he was not the only one.  Christ says "some."  So it seems there would be at least two of the original 12 still alive at the Parousia.  Did they remember Jesus' promise to return before they died?  Matthew obviously did, and so did Apostle John. 

After 70 AD, when John supposedly lived beyond it (according to tradition), did he actually know that the Parousia had occurred (like he claimed he would -- 1 John 2:28 and 3:2)?  Or was he one of those who did not recognize the time of Our Lord's visitation?  His accuracy (and inspiration) is at stake here.  If he and the others who were still alive had witnessed the Parousia and knew that it had occurred, why didn't they say something?  Or why don't we hear them at the end of their life on their deathbed bemoaning the fact that Christ had promised to return in their lifetime, but had failed to keep that promise, because they never saw it occur?  And if they had seen it, how could they ever go to their death without mentioning that it was fulfilled? 

You see, it is not the rapturist who has a "documentation problem" here.  It is the non-rapture Preterist who has the problem. 

Silence demands an absence, since a continued presence could not have been silent!  My previous non-rapture explanations for the rapture texts have reached dead ends (historically, grammatically and contextually).  They no longer seem credible in view of the "deafening silence" that pervaded the church immediately after AD 70, when they should have been shouting from the housetops that Christ had returned. This "deafening silence" of the apostolic voice after AD 70 speaks volumes about what had happened. It is a "documentation problem which points explicitly toward a rapture removal of the true saints at the Parousia.  If there wasn't a rapture, then all Preterists have an insurmountable "documentation problem."  We would have to explain why John and the other remaining apostles were not bemoaning their  failure to see the Parousia and be rewarded in the fashion they were expecting.  There is simply too much "silence" for us to explain away
without a rapture removal. 

The rapture is the only consistent way I have found to solve this "Parousia documentation problem."  Again, there is no documentation problem for the rapture.  We would not expect any documentation of a rapture from the "sleepers" who were left behind.  They were not awake and did not know what had happened.  And they were certainly not allowed to see it, any more than the 50 prophets in Elijah's day were allowed to see His translation into heaven (2 Kings 2).  They couldn't document something they didn't see or even know occurred.

Questions: If the Parousia occurred and some of the apostles (John and at least one other) were among the faithful ones who were "watching and waiting" and recognized it, why didn't they say so after AD 70 if they were still around?  Did they suddenly lose their ability to speak and write? Did John see it like he said he would (1 John 2:28, 3:2)?  Did he KNOW he saw it?  Did he live beyond it?  Did he lose his memory or his ability to communicate?   Did anyone else SEE the Parousia and know that it occurred?  Did Luke, Apollos, Timothy, Titus, or any of the other faithful disciples who lived and remained until the Parousia see it?  Did they KNOW the Parousia had occurred, or were they unfaithful and failed to "recognize the time of His visitation?"  If they knew it occurred, why didn't some of them say so?  Why didn't at least one of them write about it in one of the uninspired non-canonical writings immediately after AD 70?  Wasn't it a significant event?  Or was it so ho-hum that they ignored it and went right on their merry way with their  lives as if nothing had happened?  How could those who "waited so anxiously"  at fever pitch for His Parousia and said "Maranatha" all of a sudden become so indifferent after His Parousia? 

Something is drastically wrong with this picture!  The silence is SCREAMING -- a "deafening" silence so LOUD that even our critics have heard it. Why haven't we?

Where's the beef?  Why didn't apostle John state clearly for the record that the things he had just written in the book of Revelation had now been fulfilled?  If he was still around and had not been "received to Christ" like John 14:3 promised, then was he so disillusioned by the non-fulfillment of John 14:3 and the lack of seeing the Parousia that perhaps he was struck dumb and was unable to say anything?  Or maybe he lost all memory of what Jesus had said and just decided (like Roman Catholic tradition asserts) to go through the countryside teaching nice "love one another" platitudes and avoid mentioning the HUGE events that had just occurred?  Preposterous, you say?  Exactly!  It would take more blind faith to believe that, than to simply understand that Christ kept his word and "received [the remaining disciples] to Himself" along with all the other faithful true sanctified believers who "waited anxiously" for His return, and whose "spirits and souls and BODIES" were preserved complete and blameless until the Parousia (1 Thessalonians 5:23), at which time they were "caught up" (1 Thessalonians 4:15-17) to accompany Him during the three and a half years of His Parousia presence (AD 66-70). 

It is obvious from what little writings we have from the period (AD 70-150) that the whole post-70 Church was unaware of Christ's return in AD 70.  And we have no writings of any apostles or their close disciples after AD 70.  For some reason we do not know anything for certain about WHEN they died, WHERE they died, HOW they died, or where they were buried.  They vanish without a trace.  All the traveling companions of Paul (Silas, Luke, Timothy, Titus, Gaius, Aristarchus, etc.) are silent.  It is not likely that they all died in the persecution.  Surely several of them would have survived the  "tribulation" and lived on beyond AD 70.  There is a tradition that the Christians (evidently the mere "professing" ones only) who fled to Pella returned to Jerusalem later after the war.  Why were they so silent after AD 70?  Why didn't some of them explain the significance of this event, and mention the fulfillment of Christ's return, the resurrection and judgment?  Did they fail to "recognize the time of [His] visitation" the second time,  the same way the Jews missed it the first time (cf. Luke. 19:44)?  Or were all those who saw His return simply "snatched away?" 

I see this silence as the very proof of the rapture at the Parousia.  They wrote nothing about it because they were no longer around to write about it.  Surely if apostle John and those other leaders of the pre-70 church had still been around at the time of the Parousia they would have seen it and said something about it.  Silence can only be explained by one of two things:  either non-fulfillment of the Parousia, or a rapture removal.  The silence allows no other options. 

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Name: Terry Eddy
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This silence thing is irritating to me. To think of a physical rapture when ,as a Preterist, we understand when a scripture is prophetic, that it uses a poetic symbolic language to communicate the event. Several decades of "silence" to me is easy to see. When the church fled to Pella ( which itself cuts to the quick the doctrine of rapture) the Christians lost all autonomy and structure. All the disciples were martyred except for possibly John, so, who would be inspired to write under duress of the Roman government? They had lost everything! They were in hiding! Would you write a book and spread it around if you were trying to keep hidden? Of course not. To me the fact remains , there were Christians here after 70 AD and if God didnt rapture them all, then He Raptured none. The scriptures that speak of a catching away is prophetic of a paradigm shift in the spirit world. The consummation of the church with God so that no more would there be separation between us because of the fall of man in the beginning.

Terry